One of the arguments so often given for “vaccines cause autism” is that of “then why do so many parents tell exactly the same story?”
Well, they don’t. As we saw with JB Handley (Which is it, Mr. Handley?) even a single parent can shift and change stories over time. And he’s just one example. But we have also seen many times that once the stories we are told are compared to the facts, like say the medical records or videos in vaccine court, parent recollection is shown to be wrong.
Well, now we have Brian Hooker’s two stories. We have what he says in Vaxxed, and we have his recent vaccine court case. An in-depth legal analysis is provided by Prof. Dorit Reiss as BRIAN HOOKER’S VACCINE INJURY CLAIM DENIED BY NVICP.
From the video from Vaxxed, we hear Brian Hooker describe his son’s story starting at 3:26.
My son [SRH] was born in [month] of [year].
(home video with Brian Hooker saying: “[SRH] what does the cow say?”).
(second home video: Brian Hooker: “tweet tweet”, SRH vocalizes which parents interpret as “doggie”).
“Two weeks after his 15 month vaccines, then he lost all language. He lost all eye contact. You would pick him up and he would just hang limp.”
That’s pretty dramatic. And the sort of story that convinces many that, yes, indeed, vaccines might cause autism.
But ask this question, if this happened, why doesn’t Brian Hooker’s son’s medical record say anything like that?
From the Court’s decision, we see that the medical records show that Brian Hooker’s son was already delayed at 15 months. In fact, he was already showing signs of delays at 4 months. First, to be clear: Brian Hooker’s argument before the Court changed with time, and this can lead to some confusion. He first argued that one set of vaccines caused his child’s autism. When the Court informed Mr. Hooker that his cases was filed after the statute of limitations (filed more than 3 years from when the alleged vaccine injury occurred), Mr Hooker amended his complaint to add the claim that the 15 month vaccines (the ones he appears to be referring to in Vaxxed) “aggravated” the ASD as well. Since this event was later, it was not “untimely filed”.
In the end the court found that Mr. Hooker’s claims failed on their merits, so timely or untimely filed didn’t matter.
That all said, here’s an excerpt from the Court’s decision that discusses the 15 month vaccinations:
SRH received his 15-month well child examination on [DATE], and was found to be “healthy.” (Ex. 35, p. 13.) However, at this visit his developmental progress chart indicates that SRH had not achieved most of the expected milestones. (Id., p. 24.) His Denver II developmental progress chart indicates that he could not speak six words, could not run or climb stairs, could not remove garments or use a spoon, and could not stack two cubes, — indeed, he failed all but one of the developmental milestones for 15 months. (Id.) Following a physical examination of SRH, Dr. Heller-Bair administered the usually recommended vaccinations — i.e., DTaP #4, Hib #4, and OPV. (Id., pp. 13, 26.) (These vaccinations of [DATE], were the vaccinations that Petitioners now allege to have “significantly aggravated” SRH’s autism.)
OK, that’s the 15 month vaccination visit. But as to “two weeks after his 15 month vaccines” that Mr. Hooker describes in Vaxxed? What does the record show happened? The Court transcript reads:
Nineteen days later, on [DATE], both parents accompanied SRH to the pediatrician’s office, where she recorded that his temperature was 101.8°, and that both tympanic membranes appeared normal. (Ex. 35, p. 14.) She included the following description.
One-year-old with 1-day history of low-grade fever, irritability, decreased appetite, nasal congestion. Child has a history of recurrent ear infections. Is scheduled for typanostomy tube placement by Dr. Fong in about 4 days’ time. Mom is concerned that he may have an ongoing ear infection prior to surgery.
(Id.) No other recent symptoms were noted. Dr. Heller-Bair determined that SRH had a viral upper respiratory infection — in other words, “a cold” — and reassured the parents that he did not have an ear infection. (Id.)
Emphasis added. And now repeated: no other recent symptoms were noted. Not “he lost all language”. Not “he lost eye contact”. Not “he was hanging limp”.
As to signs of autism before the vaccines in question, we read this (Dr. Leventhal was an expert witness for the government):
Also included in Dr. Leventhal’s list of early symptoms of developmental disorders was another symptom particularly indicative of ASD — “evidence of language delay and reports of social interaction problems” at age 12 months. (Ex. C, p. 30, para. g.) Language delay and social interaction problems, are classic symptoms of autism.
Of course, many will discount this as coming from the government’s expert (even though he’s reporting the medical record).
So, what did the parents have to say?
Third, several representations by the Petitioners themselves indicate that SRH was suffering from developmental problems, likely early symptoms of his ASD, well prior to [DATE–about 15 months]. For example, SRH’s parents reported that at one year of age (about [DATE]), he seemed “delayed in interactive skills.” (Ex. 2, p. 46.) On [DATE], SRH’s parents reported that they had been worried about developmental delays “for about 6 months,” which would put the onset around [DATE–about 13 months]. (Ex. 6, p. 19.) And on occasions, SRH’s parents identified the onset of SRH’s developmental problems as occurring about the time of his MMR vaccination, which took place on [DATE–about 12 months]. (See Ex. 5, p. 30 (SRH lost eye contact “after his MMR shot”); Ex. 14, p. 38 (“delays, deterioration of verbal skills coincidental [with] MMR”)).
Emphasis in the original.
Parents reported loss of eye contact at about 12 months. But in Vaxxed Brian Hooker says his child lost eye contact two weeks after the 15 month vaccinations. So again we see that the stories don’t match up. And recall that Brian Hooker apparently didn’t mention this loss of eye contact to the doctor nor did the doctor notice 19 days after those 15 month vaccines.
Finally, it’s worth noting that pretty much the time that Vaxxed has been touring, Brian Hooker and the rest of those doing personal appearances have known that the Hooker case failed. And let’s not downplay this, the case was not even close. The Court decision includes in the conclusion:
After studying the extensive evidence in this case, I am convinced that the opinions provided by Petitioners’ experts in this case, advising the Hooker family that there is a causal connection between SRH’s vaccinations and either the initial causation or aggravation of SRH’s ASD, were quite wrong.
emphasis in the original.
The experts were quite wrong. The science was the same as was extensively argued in the Omnibus Autism Proceeding, and which failed to come close to being convincing then. The case history showed no sign of vaccine injury or developmental regression. On every count, Brian Hooker’s case failed. But we don’t hear that in the public talks. Why would Brian Hooker, Andrew Wakefield and the rest want to tell the public that not only are the “facts” in Vaxxed wrong, but the science had also been tested yet again and failed yet again? I mean, it’s not like they are calling this a “documentary” or anything. Except that’s precisely what they claim.
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By Matt Carey
Left Brain Right Brain 
Don’t see what the relevance is. The NVICP never pay out for autism, so even trying is doomed to failure. Many vaccine injuries are now off table, and even trying to claim for those is probably a no hope cause. The real story isn’t Brian Hooker, it’s the CDC whistleblower. It’s clear from his audio recordings -> http://fearlessparent.org/why-is-thimerosal-still-in-vaccines-recording-1/ that they totally fudged the science around the policy of ‘no link’. And that is the real crime, the rest is just a pointless distraction.
The so called “CDC Whistleblower” story is no story at all. Much like Brian Hooker’s vaccine court case, once you check the facts (rather than the Hooker/Wakefield story) you can see that clearly.
It’s great how antivaxxers switch from “The NVICP paid out billions of dollars! Obviously vaccines are bad” to “The NVICP doesn’t pay anybody anything, not no way, not no how” – and back again. Must make them dizzy, but I suppose the satisfaction of spreading disease and death is worth it to them
The court’s opinion is very telling. I read all 58 pages. Thank you for this nice summary.
I have to say that, in my experience of looking at so many of these cases, it’s the really angry, campaigning, in-your-face, anti-vaxxers, for whom the specific facts of what happened to their child are – when exposed to scrutiny – the most lacking in plausibility.
I guess Hooker will say that he, or his child’s mother, was telling the pediatrician all this information and it was not being written down. In the UK, such parents also used to routinely say they challenged the shot before it was given, and that they doctor, or a nurse, said “Oh, no, it is completely safe.”
I agree. Robert Krakow’s case was recently decided, and he lost by a wide margin. Another formerly very vocal person on social media (even writing an article or two for AoA) had his family’s case decided too. Again the facts don’t match what he was saying online. But, then again, his story online shifted with time too.
Brian Deer,
Lol you are pathetic. Literally ever single article (with one exception) I have read on this topic, I find you lurking in the comments. Not only are you sadly in every comment section, but you show yourself to be a disgusting, vile and classless person with how you speak to/about people. Certainly nothing remotely resembling someone prestigious, respectable or professional.
I particularly enjoyed this article here:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/keeping-anderson-cooper-honest-is-brian-deer-the-fraud.html
I’d love to see you post your sad little defense or grotesque vitriol over this actual piece of journalism. You are a scumbag of the highest order, and I hope you rot in hell. 🙂
-a beautiful mom-to-be of a beautiful healthy baby.
Ms. Collette, why do you think a string of insults is more effective than presenting verifiable evidence?
First off, this article about the disconnect between between Hooker’s claims and what the actual medical records revealed during his hearing in Vaccine Court. How does that in any way apply to the writings of Mr. Deer?
Did Mr. Deer tell Hooker to change the dates of this supposed vaccine injury?
If you truly really absolutely want to exonerate Andrew Wakefield, you need to come up with the documentation that he had real verifiable evidence that some version of MMR caused autism before he was approached by Richard Barr. Well, in that case… you are in luck!
The MMR vaccine was introduced in the USA in 1971, more than two decades before Wakefield’s now retracted study. The vaccine’s rubella component was changed in 1978, but it has not changed since then. So if the MMR caused autism as claimed by AoA, it would have been noticed in the USA in the 1980s… mostly because it is a much much much bigger country than the UK.
Can you please provide the verifiable documentation dated before 1995 that shows autism increased in the USA coincident with the use of the MMR vaccine during the 1970s and 1980s? The much preferred vaccine for the 1978 Measles Elimination Program in the USA.
It doesn’t matter to me where I present the article I linked to Brian Deer.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/keeping-anderson-cooper-honest-is-brian-deer-the-fraud.html
I would like to see him respond to the overwhelming amount of evidence contained in that article. I realize that the blog with which this comment section is attached is addressing a different aspect of this long-running situation. I don’t care about that at all. I saw that Brian Deer was very recently active here, in this comments section, so I decided to present him with a very interesting article. If that displeases you, well, lol.
I’d love to hear any replies you may have about said article. If not, I’ll await the response (or lack thereof) of the cowardly and repulsive Brian Deer. 🙂
Collette: “It doesn’t matter to me where I present the article I linked to Brian Deer.”
Age of Autism is not considered a reliable source of information, especially anything by Mr. Handley. We all remember how he thought Matt Carey was someone else:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/04/29/jb-handley-surprisespartially/
All you have done is continued to provide baseless insults, and no real evidence.
Come on! Prove that Wakefield had something other than the UK tax payer cash from Richard Barr to come up with “evidence” in his now retracted Lancet paper. Show us the verifiable data dated before 1995 that the American MMR introduced in 1971 caused autism during the 1980s in a much larger country.
Colleen, JB Handley does not have a good reputation on this blog. I have a comment in moderation about how he though our gracious host was someone else.
AAArgh… both of my comments went into moderation! I know why, it is because that author of the article you linked to is not to be mentioned on this blog due to his shenanigans!
Colleen, that AoA article is written by someone who cannot be trusted.
Not quite. In my case my doctor stated that, “there is more of a chance of your son being brain damaged if he doesn’t get the vaccine”. Informed choice? I think not. I’m not “really angry, in-your-face” etc etc. I am just an intelligent mother who wanted an informed choice. Not to mention, after querying the adverse effects of certain vaccines, certain vaccine records were missing from my son’s file. Nothing to hide? Contrary to what you may think, I can only dream that ethical/moral studies would take place that would disprove what I know to be true, that my son was vaccine damaged.
I know your comment was written on July 8th 2016 but I had to reply. Please don’t bother commenting, your comment would be worthless to the countless families who know the truth. God knows how people like you can live with yourself. I feel sorry for you.
“Please don’t bother commenting, your comment would be worthless to the countless families who know the truth. ”
Basically “lalalalalalala, I’m not listening?”
Really?
Thanks.
I found the bit about how the Hannah Poling concession doesn’t mean the court or the government has accepted that vaccines cause autism to be very valuable reading.
I have paper work from developmental center stating at 8 month visit that my daughter has no feeding problems, normal development, and sisters asperger/chromosome abnormality is non contributory. My wife brought her to make sure she was healthy and there were no problems. Normal genetic tests and perfectly healthy.
By 12 months She was saying dogs name, sis name, Mom and Dad with clarity. My wife even noted how strange it was how clearly she spoke the words. Medical history here says, ” Child was saying 5 to 10 words and then stopped saying words”
She got the MMR, Varicella, and Flu shot in one visit at 12.5 months old. Then came the stimming on shoelaces, no more words, headbanging holes in our drywall, a long list of therapeutic injections, unexplained hospitalization with cause unknown, maybe impacted they thought, comes with that autism ya know. No explanation just a folder from autism speaks and off you go.
My daughter is 11 now and cannot speak, still “autistic” oh, Dr records show tremor as well. I used to make 50,000 a year but now my wife works and I rely on my Daughters income based SSI check. And that is where the story ends for me and my family. My 13 year old son had to teach himself to ride a bike. 99 percent grade level science score I might add, must be those bad genetics.
I think my daughter was a low percent of collateral damage and the vaccines should have been given later. The most vocal group of us you would think would be the ones who know for sure. Maybe it is one out of a million children who slips in to autism and the vaccines are safe for most. But why no help and no explanation when this happens to families like mine? We are just ignored and left broke and broken. The VICP has failed. I can not file a claim because of the statute but guess what? We were not told the court existed and we were told that vaccines do not cause autism.
If I could get something as simple as an income waiver for SSI I would not be online ranting. Yes I am pissed. What does Dorit think of the CDPAP that claimed autism parents could be paid caregivers in NY? Does nothing, the child has to be 21 and the parent cannot be legally responsible for them or reside with them. Like I said, there is NO HELP whatsoever if you end up with a severely autistic child, you are left to fight alone.
Matt, I will show you my daughters medical history and if you can give me an even remotely plausible explanation I will accept it and move on.
I truly wish we had appropriate support for people with disabilities in this country. I am in agreement with you on that.
Yes, there is regression for many autistics. And we should be spending more effort to understand that. Wasting time and effort on the failed vaccine hypothesis isn’t getting us closer to that goal. In fact it’s diverting attention away from it.
“And that is where the story ends for me and my family. ”
No, it doesn’t. I hope you can see that someday.
Jeff said: “I can not file a claim because of the statute but guess what? We were not told the court existed and we were told that vaccines do not cause autism.”
I am confused by comments like this if their child has not in their late twenties. I am sure they were given the federally required Vaccine Information Sheets.
Matt: “I truly wish we had appropriate support for people with disabilities in this country. I am in agreement with you on that.”
So am I. We are working with a state funded program to get our son employment. But today we hit another snag with some funding muck up. Le sigh.
We really need him to get both supported employment and supported housing. He can do it, but aside from dealing with his own mind issues, we need reliable supports.
My child has the same medical history as yours and Brian Hooker. By age two his autism was full blown. Neurologist told us that we will see cures and various causes on the internet but to consult him before we try anything because it may be harmful. We only tried GFCF diet for maybe a day because all he would eat was mac and cheese. The best advice was to get him a good education. We were lucky to get him a waiver to send him to a good school. For all who think that vaccines cause autism, well it doesn’t. While he seemed to regress at one year old because that is what autism does. I have proof that he was most probably born with it. I hope you find help for you and your family. Don’t waste time or money on expensive treatments or “cures” Do take her places so that some sensory problems will eventually ware off and she will become more sociable. She may never speak but with sign language, ipad, iPhone,pecs and computers you will see what her interest are such as Disney, angry grandpa, how airplanes fly and many other things like how to bathe a chicken.
I forgot to mention that all children are individuals some have more problems than others but our son is considered severely autistic. Ear infections, allergies, asthma, constipation all health issues addressed by medical doctors never holistic or biomed. Potty trained by four. No more diapers and got yelled at for pooping his pants. He is 18 now and we are very proud of him.
What would you know Brian Deer? What is your experience? Have you got any Medical or Scientific Training?
You were a part time Journalist hired by Rupert Murdoch because of your untrustworthy character to lie to the GMC with your allegations against Dr. Andrew Wakefield that were not even based on Fraud. When it went to the English High Court because of a appeal by Professor Walker Smith the GMC was lambasted by the Judge and told that they were not fit to hear evidence.
You may fool some but not all.
I guess you missed the whole part of Walker-Smith’s appeal where he threw Wakefield under the bus, right?
Let me start by answering the question for myself, even though you didn’t pose it.
I have scientific training. 5 degrees, capped with a Ph.D. All in Physics, one of the toughest scientific fields. Over 100 papers, over 100 patents. More letters after my name, more quality work produced that Andrew Wakefield or Brian Hooker (or pretty much anyone in the “vaccines-cause-autism” camp).
Still want to play the “what are your credentials card?
You think that Brian Deer was personally hired by Rupert Murdoch? Really? Think about what you are saying, then–Deer must have been amazing to have the head of a multinational conglomerate personally recruit him. Didn’t consider that angle, did you? You just wanted to throw out the name “Rupert Murdoch” because (a) that’s what your side always does and (b) you do it in an attempt to smear.
And ” hired by Rupert Murdoch because of your untrustworthy character to lie to the GMC with your allegations against Dr. Andrew Wakefield”. By your timeline Rupert Murdoch can see into the future. Deer was hired (by someone much lower in the management chain, obviously to even you) to write journalistic stories. It just so happened that he uncovered a great deal of unethical behavior that Wakefield never expected to be exposed.
“the GMC was lambasted by the Judge and told that they were not fit to hear evidence.”
Really? Then why did the high court allow the GMC to continue hearing evidence? Why didn’t the high court overturn every decision ever made by the GMC?
Don’t repeat what you are told. Think and find original sources. And perhaps then you wouldn’t make statements that demonstrate such profound ignorance.
“Let me start by answering the question for myself, even though you didn’t pose it.
I have scientific training. 5 degrees, capped with a Ph.D. All in Physics, one of the toughest scientific fields. Over 100 papers, over 100 patents. More letters after my name, more quality work produced that Andrew Wakefield or Brian Hooker (or pretty much anyone in the “vaccines-cause-autism” camp).”
Why do you even respond to people who demonstrate such profound ignorance??
Ms Smirnis: I take you to be a bitter, abusive individual, but I’ll let that pass since, if I relied on things that Wakefield said, I’d probably be the same.
(1) I was a staff reporter at The Sunday Times for the best part of a decade, and I left the staff to pursue long investigations, for which I’ve won the top available UK journalism prize, twice.
(2) I was not hired by Rupert Murdoch, and considering the vast amount of anti-vaccine junk the Fox network has broadcast, including any number of interviews with Wakefield, I would have to assume that he has not the least interest in vaccine issues. Certainly, I’ve never heard anything from him on this subject, or from any of his group’s excutives, higher than editors.
(3) The GMC made no reliance on any information from me, but through its lawyers, reinvestigated and re-evidenced each and every point of its case against Wakefield entirely separately, and without telling me about it. The case was heard by three doctors and two lay members, none of whom I’ve ever spoken with.
(4) Wakefield’s case has never been before the high court. Walker-Smith – unlike Wakefield, who has never had legal care of a patient – was a clinician. This means that he was able to argue that he saw children on clinical grounds, rather than predominantly for research purposes. The verdict against him was quashed on appeal because the GMC panel had failed to adequately set out its reasoning. This does not mean that it did not have reasoning, but that it failed to properly write it down so that Walker-Smith could understand how the panel had come to its conclusions.
The GMC would have been entitled to take the case back, set out the reasoning and strike Walker-Smith off again. However, he was 73, had already spent something like a decade under the burden of the case, and no public interest would have been served.
Walker-Smith’s case has no bearing on Wakefield’s. You may find it interesting to learn that both men were insured by the same organisation – the Medical Protection Society – which agreed to support Walker-Smith’s appeal, but no to support Wakefield’s. This was after advice of Wakefield’s own lawyers.
I would imagine that you gather your information from Wakefield. If you have the interest and decency to have a genuine concern for these matters, you might want to read my statement, at the link below. If you don’t understand it, think it is all a concoction, or in some other way unsatisfactory to you, then I suggest you find a source of professional advice – say a doctor, community advisor or minister of religion, with the necessary education and experience of public affairs so that you can fully appreciate the content and the circumstances in which it was prepared.
Click to access slapp-amended-declaration.pdf
As for my competence as a journalist, you might care to appreciate the comments of David Lewis, who assesses my grasp of medicine to be so impressive that I couldn’t possibly have done it my own journalism. Here is the video:
http://briandeer.com/solved/david-lewis-true.htm
isn’t it accurate to state that in the end the GMC uncovered much of the information that formed the basis for your BMJ articles?
Or, to put it another way, it wasn’t the information largely flowed the opposite way to what Wakefield followers claim–from the GMC to you.
And it was largely this new information that formed the basis for Wakefield being struck off, not the (excellent) information you uncovered pre-GMC hearing?
Brian, whilst speaking about this situation did you describe the parents of sick kids thus, “The festering nastiness, the creepy repetitiveness, the weasely, deceitful, obsessiveness, all signal pathology to me” “And they wonder why their children have problems with their brains” Did you say this?
Wow. It’s been clear for some time that Hooker was dishonest as well as incompetent in his retracted “reanalysis” of the DeStefano data set, but I’m surprised that, like Wakefield, Hooker can routinely lie directly to his supporters at Q&A sessions following screenings of Vaxxed.
I have to say that, after reading the Hastings ruling over the Hooker case, I’m surprised that the special master didn’t refer Hooker’s experts Smith and Megson to their medical boards for disciplinary inquiry.
This is a reply to Matt above.
Not quite. They checked my findings by their own investigations, and found them to be true.
But the defendants changed their defence. They stated off claiming that they carried out authorised clinical research. The GMC proved this wasn’t true (as I’d said), at which point the clinicians changed their story and argued that all the tests on the children were carried out for the patients’ clinical benefit.
This strategy – which is why the case went on so long – required Walker-Smith to retrospecitvely diagnose clinical indications for everything he did. This meant that the medical records had to be exhibited, which is where I obtained their content (read aloud, over and over with me in the room) and was able to show that Wakefield’s paper was fraudulent.
Point taken.
I guess I was getting caught up in many details–like the various business plans and other smaller facts that were disclosed in the hearings.
“They stated off claiming that they carried out authorised clinical research. ”
Sort of like “Enduring Memories” first edition. (for those who are unaware, Prof. Walker-Smith’s autobiography was titled “Enduring Memories”. First edition included discussion of the research project he did with Wakefield. It was rewritten for edition 2 to downplay the fact that it was a research project.)
It’s always amazing to me how much money Big Pharma spends on PR firms to propagandize their products. This includes paying people to write realistic articles and also generate realistic comments. It works, too, because the average person does not really believe that PR firms can legally lie to this extent, for profit. It really should be illegal for PR firms to perform this function for any corporation. That is the legislation that needs to change. The propaganda is far too manipulative.
What is your evidence that Matt Carey, PhD is being paid to write this? How do we know you aren’t being paid by “Big Pharma” to make anti-vax folks look paranoid and silly?
While you are searching for that evidence, please give us some other relevant financial data. Back in the “good ol’ days” almost every single child in the USA had measles by the time they had their fifteenth birthday, because of how measles is so infectious. About one in five would get pneumonia, and half of those would need hospital care. So about one in ten need expensive medical intervention, including being hooked up to artificial ventilation and antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections (measles also suppresses the immune system for years). Those numbers were pretty seen in both the Wales and Disneyland measles outbreaks.
So do tell us how giving each child two MMR vaccines gives Big Pharma a much bigger profit than providing the medical supplies for the one in ten who get hospital treatment. Please make sure to support your evidence with verifiable documentation like this example: An economic analysis of the current universal 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccination program in the United States
Hmmm, this brings up another question. Are you paid by “Big Hospital Supply”?
What?
I have a comment in moderation. Do you understand where the information about Brian Hooker’s son came from? It is a public court document, and you can read the whole thing yourself.
I pulled it out of moderation. Thanks for the alert.
🙂 These appeals to supposed greed amuse me.
No one has yet given me reliable financial data that the MMR vaccine costs so much more than treating measles (or mumps or congenital rubella syndrome).
Are you accusing me of being paid to write this blog?
If so, have the guts to say it outright. If so, you are not only wrong, you are just throwing out accusations to attack rather than engaging in the conversation. The lack of courage in your movement shows itself again and again.
While we’re on the subject, I’ve just had a chance to cross-correlate Wakefield’s film with Thompson’s documentation.
The whole thing – which I find it hard to believe that Bigtree and Tommey aren’t in on in this respect – is based on the most whopping lie. I’m amazed that no serious journalist has picked up on this, although I know only too well how people on daily schedules find it hard these days to get the time.
It’s at 42.24 in my copy: that’s the part beginning: “Did the CDC commit fraud?”
It just aint true what they say. Wakefield tried to make it true in his complaint to CDC by altering the text of the project’s protocol.
But it just sits there in plain view. Pity I’m so busy with other things
It’s as though Wakefield is aware that people who check or care about him lying have long since abandoned him.
Makes you wonder if they really believe they can accomplish anything with this other than PR. Posey seems willing to accept their interpretation and promote it. But chaffetz–especially after the fiasco of HUGE donations from Jennifer Larson to Daryl Issa–is going to check facts before going forward. Unless he is an absolute fool.
There is no truer statement on this whole Blog than your one Dale E.
So many people are ready to sell their souls for a $ if need be, and l think end up believing their own lies out of guilt.
A lot of people are naive until it impacts them personally and then some decide to delve deeper to find the Truth of what is actually going on when they realise that they have been lied to and no straight answers are being given.
Luckily people that want to find out the Truth, are able to put the pieces together because of the information online, which cannot be controlled by the Mainstream media and Big Pharma as it has always been done in the past.
They have been trying very hard to stop “VaxXed, The Movie” from airing and are more desperate than ever, because people are waking up to what is really going on.
You have to ask the Question, why have the most logical, common sense Studies never been done such as,
1. Why have combined doses of Vaccines never been tested?
2. Why has there never been a study on the health of Unvaccinated Children to Vaccinated Children?
3. Why if Vaccines are Safe, and so beneficial to everyone, do they have to be Mandated?
4. Why are there whistle blowers if nothing wrong is going on?
There are so many unanswered questions, and simple questions at that.
Trying to make a topic complex, and debating on this is a clever camouflage. You do not need to go there when the basics are not being answered.
People want answers, they want Freedom to choose what is best for them. This is everyones Right.
You’re joking, right? 1. Of course those studies have been done, multiple times, and with each new vaccine. 2. Of course those studies have been done, and the vaccinated either come out the same or better. While vaccines do not cause the things they’re accused of, like diabetes, AIDS, autism, etc, they do cause a much lower rate of the diseases they’re aimed at. 3. They’re mandated because it’s a public health issue. People take advice from Andrew Wakefield and mommy blogs, and children die. 4. Your one whistleblower, who in fact was taped, without permission, was thoroughly debunked
#1 – Yes, of course they have been tested. They all went through the FDA clinical trial process (which includes both safety and efficacy studies) and were approved for use.
#2 – Of course, those studies do exist. Anti-vaxers just like to pretend they don’t.
#3 – vaccine mandates are put in place to protect public health, particularly in schools, the military, and hospitals.
#4 – The “whistleblower” you mention isn’t even a thing anymore. Have you even bothered to read Thompson’s documents?
Because they don’t say what Wakefield & Co. claim they say.
So, none of your “questions” are unanswered.
Helena –
1) Please read your favorite package inserts to understand how the vaccine clinical trials are designed to compare combination vaccines with the individual vaccines AND how new combination vaccines (or new individual vaccines) are tested with concomitant vaccines – for safety and effectiveness. Seriously – read the inserts!!! 🙂
2) Do you mean studies like this one, that compared the health outcomes of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children in Germany:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3057555/
Not surprisingly, the most significant conclusion was that unvaccinated children contract vaccine-preventable diseases at a higher rate than vaccinated children.
3) If wearing seat belts and putting children in car seats is so beneficial, then why are they mandated?
Public health decisions (including school immunization requirements) are based on a risk versus benefit analysis. In the case of vaccination, the benefits greatly outweigh the risks on both an individual and a community basis. They are so beneficial in fact, that here in the U.S., the government has set up a program to help pay for vaccines for children to protect them from diseases like diphtheria, measles, Hib, etc.
4) Having read through much of the “CDC Whistleblower” documentation provided to Rep. Posey (linked by Dr. Carey here back in January), I would say that Dr. Thompson doesn’t have much more than a little toot in his whistle, nothing more than a simple scientific disagreement about preliminary results of one population subgroup in *one* study in the vast collection of vaccine safety research.
Ms. Smirnis, you should add to your resume that you will make stuff up for cash.
For david44. Please give citation for these multiple MMR studies.
Tombola –
You might consider taking a look at this review, which included about 60 studies regarding the safety and/or effectiveness of the MMR, looking at a total of more than 14 million people:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22336803
Please state what level of similarity between the two populations would cause you to concede that there is no effect.
Your evidence that I’ve been paid is?
Thats right, you have none. Which makes your comment a smear. You still so low but don’t even have the guts to say it directly. That’s something I’ve noticed time and again in your movement: a lack of courage. A lack of integrity.
Jamie Fikes, John Myers, Dale E.
Pick one pseudonym or be banned.
Adding Dan Stamps to your list of pseudonyms does not help your argument. Nor is it in keeping with the rules of the site.
Dan Stamps, Jamie Fikes, John Myers, Dale E., goodbye.
I have to say, Matt, that your pages come up for me in a way that only some of the posts following articles have “reply” buttons underneath – on a seemingly random basis – so it’s usually not possible to respond to things in context.
Lol all original posts have a “reply” button. Responses to original posts do not, To reply to a response, simply click the “reply” button on the orinigal post and then address your reply to the poster of the response you wish to answer. I know this is all probably a little difficult for your simple and fraudulent way of thinking.
There is a post above in the comments section that is awaiting an explanation, assuming you aren’t too cowardly to address it.
You lose. Anyway,
Wrong. The first two levels have the reply option. This is a trade-off with threaded comments that use indenting, as eventually they can become unreadably narrow.
I take it you don’t frequent this blog: (1) The function is flaky, sometimes starting a new top-level comment, and (2) merely “addressing” a reply is inadequate after a certain length – unfortunately, there are no comment numbers to refer to, and using the permalink is unwieldy.
HTH. HAND.
Ha! So you lose if you type “lol”? Idiot.
You’re right, I don’t frequent this blog. I guess only all of the regular losers know what an inconsistent piece of crap it is. Hahaha seriously I find if hilarious (and pathetic) that you take such obvious pride in writing out a detailed post (complete with numbering and sentence split breakdowns!) correcting a comment written about the reply button. I mean this sincerely- dude, please GET A LIFE! I’m sad for you!
Xo
Collette
Ooooooooo and you [sic]’d my comma! Lmao you really are a f*cking tool. It has to be unfair for me to even be engaging with you.
Clean up your language or be banned.
Contribute to the conversation rather than trolling (which is what you are doing) or be banned
Collette, why do you think insults are valid for an adult discussion?
Lol Chris, come on! You have to admit that guy is a tool. He actually tried to condescend to me over a reply button! That is pathetic.
Oh, and correcting grammar, spelling or punctuation when it is CLEARLY a typo? That is beyond lame! Get a life! You basically could not be a less important person. People that spend their time doing that shit online are just sad individuals.
And yes, I feel that viewpoint is actually quite valid. 🙂
Fine Sully, but if you’re going to have rules about potty words and contributions, you should also have rules about being a tool and correcting other people’s typos. Because nobody likes a grammar loser and that is hardly what one could consider a contribution. But maybe you like that kind of stuff here, idk. I’m still waiting for the “award-winning” “journalist” 😂 to comment on the article I linked exposing him. (Although I seriously doubt that will ever happen.)
Good-by Collette.
I said goodbye. I meant it. All you’ve done with your repeated comments is prove I was correct to send you on your way. Your additional comments (which were nothing more than childish trolling) are deleted.
Goodbye.
You link to the age of autism blog like it is a source or accurate information?
It’s the national enquirer of the autism community.
My posts that were moderation have been approved, including all links. Why should we believe that author of those four year old articles?
Also, how well did that Buttar Cream work?
As you are likely aware, the Butter cream was tested. It isn’t even absorbed and doesn’t (can’t) work.
It was a great example of a charlatan selling a placebo. And getting people to believe him so deeply that they took on the job of advertising for him. Yes, I’m talking about JB Handley. Who still seems to be duped by charlatans.
Sully: “As you are likely aware, the Butter cream was tested.”
I was calling it Buttar Cream because it was the transdermal chelation concoction sold by Dr. Rashid Buttar. He sold lots of bizarre “cures” for autism, cancer, and for whatever he could as he preyed on desperate patients.
It was about as effective as spreading cake frosting over the kid. At least with the cake frosting, the kid would get a treat — and then need a bath.
FTFY, not-so-dearly-departed Collette.
At the beginning of the closing track on Rebel Voices, the late Utah Phillips attributes to Clare Spark the quote, “The long memory is the most radical idea in America.” And you tried to pretend that my response arose from a vacuum or something.
Mirrors are your friends.
Collette: “I’m still waiting for the “award-winning” “journalist” 😂 to comment on the article I linked exposing him. (Although I seriously doubt that will ever happen.)”
Why should he demean himself by reply to a four year old muckraking article on “Age of Autism” by someone whose name is not even allowed on this blog? That person is not an honorable man, and is known for just making stuff up.
Look at that Age of Autism article, cut and paste that author’s name and then search where he has been mentioned on this blog. Do not bring him nor anything he as been associated with again in the comments.
Except one thing: how did the Buttar Cream work?
Vaxxed is a movie about Government fraud orchestrated by big pharma. In 2016 if you think you can trust the U.S. Government or big pHARMa who makes half a trillion a year in profit$ and never seems to cure anything you are beyond naive. There is a literal mountain of evidence about vaccine fraud from several CDC whistleblowers. If you care to know the truth, take 10 seconds and Google, “cdc whistleblower”.
Dave: “There is a literal mountain of evidence about vaccine fraud from several CDC whistleblowers”
Please provide the links to that evidence.
Even with Hooker mangling the data until it screamed, he only found an autism increase in young black boys that were vaccinated late and it was still a very small sample sized.
Plus, according to the medical records in Hooker Vaccine Court document his son was showing delays when he was just four months old. How is a vaccine given ten months later supposed to cause that?
It would be totes kewl if Wakefraud’s next movie were based upon Close Encounters. In any event, Thompson has gone nowhere, Blaxill’s weird fixation on the Zimmerman case is either desperate or dishonest (no, the deposition doesn’t say what he said it does; the case has nothing whatever to do with ADDM), and you’re left with Krahling & Wlochowski.
Color me unimpressed.
I happened to read through the medical records portions of the Special Master’s decision just after reading a new paper that discusses evidence of inborn neuronal defects in children with ASD who, like Hooker’s son, experienced early brain overgrowth. It’s interesting that Hooker so thoroughly believes that vaccines caused his son’s autism despite the mounting evidence that so strongly implicates prenatal and almost certainly genetic causes for conditions like his son’s.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27378147
Even his new friend Bill Thompson told him that if thimerosal causes autism (it doesn’t) it would be in kids unlike Brian Hooker’s
That and the lack of any real help with his case must sting a bit. I mean, sure, he got some PR for his cause but no real help.
Poor, poor Hooker. Some day he will learn that reality sucks.
He really needed to face reality at the first report his son had issues as an infant. His family could have at least looked at “Birth to Three” therapy resources.
Instead he spent oodles of time and money on a wild goose chase.
I think it’s pretty clear Helena is a brain dead fool. A bitter and twisted old moron. With nothing in her life to live for but give people the shits with her garbage. An oxygen thief I think it’s called.
Not helping, Nadine.
If it was the same has you posted yesterday, then read why it was not considered valid.
If you changed your profile because you were blocked, then you may be blocked again due to your use of abusive language.
Again, for the third time: your question is not taken seriously here due to the history this blog has with the author of that very old article. In short: since the AoA article was written by someone who no one respects because his past behavior, that question is not valid.
Plus it is wildly off topic. Perhaps you should discuss why Hooker spent so much time and money on “vaccines did it!”, when the medical records showed his son was not meeting milestones as an infant.
Sorry Chris–your responses to Collette will appear out of context now. Collette and her comments are gone.
Not a problem. I think some will get the basic idea of what she was ranting about.
What is Wakefield? Is he some type of god to his followers. Actually, the more you speak about him the more powerful he becomes. The hate and venom spewed by Collette and others is a real turn off.
“. Actually, the more you speak about him the more powerful he becomes. ”
I am so saving that comment. It’s just that amusing.
Dr Carey, your website is very informative. I admire you and your work. Only one thing bothers me
It is the overwhelming responses to vaccines causation. After at least 15yrs, the debate goes on. It just won’t go away and neither will the snake oil and biomed and holistic. These people exploit our children. I agree with the truths you speak of but you have a way of responding to my posts as if you a ridiculing. You also delete my posts
I will just read your articles and not respond. Thank you again and goodbye.
I typed your name wrong, sorry about that. But you were still using insults instead of mature dialog.
I hope many of the people who commented had a chance to watch “Vaccines Revealed”. Eventually, the truth will out.
Truth has been out for a loooong time. It’s about time that people who make things like “vaccines revealed” admitted that. And accepted they are wrong.
But, thanks for using my blog to spam a plug for that fake documentary
HeatherVee wrote:
“1) Please read your favorite package inserts to understand how the vaccine clinical trials are designed to compare combination vaccines with the individual vaccines AND how new combination vaccines (or new individual vaccines) are tested with concomitant vaccines – for safety and effectiveness. Seriously – read the inserts!!! 🙂”
Why do you have such unwavering faith in the inserts written by Big Pharma? Are you paid by them?
anti-vaccine troll. Seriously, “just asking”, you are a troll.
It’s disgusting. You wander the internet, find a disability focused site and try to troll someone. And to what purpose? To spread misinformation about vaccines.
I bet you congratulate yourself on “thinking for yourself” and “doing your own research”. I’ve met “you” a thousand times here and elsewhere on the internet. “You” are a fool.
“Are you paid by them?”
But I bet you don’t count yourself as a conspiracy theorist, do you? You troll the internet accusing people of being paid off.
It makes it easy for you to avoid thinking for yourself. “Oh no! That argument is hard to fit into my opinion that vaccines are bad!” And then you attack. And you immediately go for the conspiracy theory.
Again, I’ve met “you” so many times. You are just the latest in a string of anti-vaccine clones. Repeating the same arguments and congratulating yourselves in being “free thinkers”. Ironic. And sad. Pathetic, really.
By the way, “just asking”. Did you read the article above? Were you taken in by the “CDC Whistleblower” lie? Did you ever actually do any research and check what you were being told? Or did you just accept it blindly?
Because that’s what I saw, over and over. A bunch of people saying “CDC Whistleblower! Andy Wakefield says so! I BELIEVE!”
I just mentioned the infamous inserts (mentioned them, what, nearly three years ago?) because that’s where many folks like Helena focus their attention. Like, “OMG! Read all those adverse events in the INSERTS! But just ignore everything else,!”
Nope, not paid by Big Pharma. Or Big Parma – though I do love tasty cheeses 🙂
Oh, I’d definitely take money from “Big Parma.” Just as long as they threw in spaghetti too.