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retired FBI agent John de Souza [Applause]
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I'm so glad you're here thanks John good stuff
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oh man so a couple months ago when I was here Angie and I had lunch or had dinner with
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he and his wife Bella and in the words of Angie when we left
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she goes Dave I've never gone to a dinner and had my head spinning like it
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is right now after sitting with you and Bella first of all you've got a beautiful wife thank you really a nice
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lady and uh thank you for the service to our country thank you and uh
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I worry about our country John I know me too and in some ways uh uh in some ways
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I wish you weren't here today to be able to talk to you talk about you a little bit uh I just want to tell you guys I've
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been I was in the FBI as a special agent investigator for 25 years uh but I I
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left almost nine years ago uh they still
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try to pull me in every once in a while uh but I've tried to stay out of that I have a lot of friends uh there that are
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still active duty still working and one of the things that we always talk about
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is missing persons cases and so obviously we have to talk about David Pilates and his work as well and my
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friends in Training Division uh have said oh yeah where where we know his
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work this was very recent and we know his work we're aware of it we know what it's yeah we know what it's all about
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and uh I told him well you know what you don't know about this movie that's
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coming out right now because it is going to create a hail storm on you guys and
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it really is uh this movie is huge huge news for uh for law enforcement for what
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they're gonna the kind of pressure they're gonna get now as a result of this movie uh because it is the first
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time that uh in all of David Pilates work which is very carefully watched by
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a lot of people uh is the first time that uh David is actually
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putting in a possible paranormal cause in the title of the
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movie and actually in consideration of the entire of the entire thing that is
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huge news uh for uh law enforcement that is so used to uh
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uh closing these cases putting them pending inactive putting them closed
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putting them cold and just walking away from them that's what they typically do
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especially the FBI and that's been a cause of great uh uh concern for me over
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many years that I've been fighting with them over this and it's just something really awful and um that's why I'm so
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glad that this movie is going to be coming out and it's going to be giving
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law enforcement including Department of the Interior Park Rangers all of these people who they're they're just not
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they're just not interested in doing investigation in these areas in the area
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of disappeared people they're just not interested and it's not
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because they're a part of some conspiracy to make these people disappear as some of us that people have
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suggested in the past it's because they just consider these cases no wins
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for them no wins I mean we have we have right now
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a huge number of uh indigenous women
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who are Inuit in in new pack uh Heritage throughout Canada North sorry Northern
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Canada and also Alaska as well and just enormous numbers of native women who are
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disappearing just disappearing and it's minimal Rock Bottom minimum
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investigation done and uh only now we're having um we're having some efforts
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being done by Alaska State Troopers and also Royal Canadian mountain police that
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are making some efforts in these areas and it's due to work like the stuff that data Pilates is doing so I just wanted
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to thank you for that because that's important thank you [Applause]
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so John about the the case of Ray salmon in British Columbia so you have a UFO
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connection there you have a gun up here clothing over here
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no evidence the person's anywhere to be found you got a SWAT team coming there and telling Searchers you can't go in
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there um at one point does federal law enforcement step in and start
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entertaining ideas outside of the conventional well federal law enforcement
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they tend not to come in if there's not some military base involved or federal
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property involved or a police what we call a police cooperation request from a
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desperate sheriff or a desperate local official was at the end of his rope and
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he just he's just saying okay we gotta we gotta call in the FBI see if they can help with this that's that's how it
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comes up usually so let's say the park service has a I know they have hundreds of
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disappearances there that they won't admit and they won't release the numbers and it's only through 10 years of my
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work that I've uncovered hundreds of their cases and many of them
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just seem to go into nowhere and the special agents assigned to the National Park Service
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not FBI special agents but National Park special agents don't seem to have an
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interest in the arena I talk about yeah so what would happen if the National
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Park Service special agents asked the FBI to get involved in something like that would they yeah they would uh under
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some sort of police cooperation request yeah they would go in they would lend resources uh but uh the what the FBI
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typically uh tends to do unfortunately is that they will not
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open a separate FBI file on it they will
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just handle it as a police cooperation request that's called a stove pipe what it means is they'll just handle it as
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off FBI files as a as a local police Corporation request and then there'll be
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no track back on it so that because they consider it a loser a loser means
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something that's not going to be prosecuted it's not going to be solved and they just consider it that like um
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so they won't uh open up separate case and it won't be considered as serious as
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if they had a separate FBI case on it if they have separate FBI case then the
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director is going to be involved and they're going to have to solve it so that's what they that's one of the little tricks that they do to avoid
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these things why have you here so there's a case in Crater Lake National Park
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20 year old man comes there in the middle of winter people see them
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and he disappears car's there but he's gone and parents file a missing person's case
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with Crater Lake National Park and case goes on for two years they don't find
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anything two years later 12 miles into the park
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people are backpacking and they step up on a big Douglas fir tree and at the
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bottom of the Douglas fir tree they see a body laying their bones and they call
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the National Park Service so I interviewed the man who wrote out there for the National Park Police
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this is Dave 20 years I've never seen anything like this the pants were pulled down to the knees
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and all that were left was the waistband of the underwear and some other things
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the bodies there but the the police officer says Dave this happened in the middle of winter
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12 feet snow drifts no snowmobiles are allowed in the park
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he didn't have any skis or snowshoes we didn't have any idea at all how he
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could get 12 miles in and the scene was too crazy
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so they call an FBI evidence response team from Portland now this is nowhere to be found he tells
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me this while I'm interviewing him and he gives me the dates so I file a Freedom of Information Act
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request with the FBI and I get a response back saying your request is denied because I'm asking for
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all the reports from their response to that you know what the response was because of privacy concerns over the
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victim you can't have that report then that means it was active the the
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case was still active no the guy was dead right and so I wrote
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back I appeal this because the victim is deceased right they can't yeah they said
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no the family has privacy concerns you can't have that report
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wow that's sounds a little crazy little yeah
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so on that one the person it's essentially impossible
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for him to get from the Lakeside to 12 miles into the world
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it's the biggest office yeah yeah
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[Applause] all right so
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that was fun it was not the FBI they don't care about what I do they don't
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they really don't they have enough problems of Their Own [Music]
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so uh getting back to FBI investigations in in
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your world so one of the things that you said in the movie was that you did Paranormal
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investigations for the FBI so who would assign you to do those investigations their normal
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investigations that turn that way they become that uh it's it tends to be it
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tends to be that way uh or it could be just me uh working peripherally with
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another group of law enforcement uh to advise and consult and then just going
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forward with them until we hit that paranormal uh hard stop like trying to
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help out the agents in Montana in Idaho where the ranchers with the cattle
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mutilations you know those those things were those things were huge uh those
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investigations in the 2000s it was those were huge I mean John what would you classify those cases as
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the cattle mutilations yeah they tended to be classified as vandalism and uh
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attacks on property the attacks on property and we were and those were police cooperation cases as well so if
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somebody wanted to foi foia those cases could they ever get a whole level oh
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yeah absolutely listen everybody can foi cases um Freedom of Information Act as a
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matter of fact you can actually go into archives uh the FBI has been around for 120 years and uh you can go to uh
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vault.fbi.gov where all the repository of all
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unclassified cases are and you actually go to that site vault.fbi.gov go to that site and they
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have buttons on the side and there some buttons say uh uh parrot Supernatural uh
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Supernatural cases or or cases of extra sensory perception there is cattle
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mutilation cases uh you go to uh and they have these there's UFO cases and
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you go to these buttons you just press on those buttons and go see all these documents that can be downloaded for
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free everybody can get them did you write any of those they're older I think a couple of my cases ended up in those
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but those are huge repositories so did you work mutilated cows I have as an
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adjunct and what what was your conclusion our conclusion was that we
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couldn't stop them we couldn't stop them we would go there and consult with the
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security uh forces the security teams that were trying to help these ranchers
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and we would go to see what is it that they're doing and no matter what they
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did there was always um I mean they set up we had surveillances set up everywhere all over
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these multi-huge properties acreage and we had all of these things and there
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would always be we would come back look at all the CCTV all the security and there would always
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be a flash of light and then all the mutilations would be done in a in a nanosecond according to
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us I mean according to what we saw so we just those cases just there was no
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there was no real result on those cases we had to basically just walk away from those so when you went out and
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investigated those did you ever take chemical analysis of
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cows and things yeah we tried but the the best we took analysis we took all
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those things but we have um separate uh chemists that do that we have special teams that do that and they
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would come they would collect all that material but then once the case was
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concluded you know then that would go back under the control of our FBI headquarters that sometimes wouldn't let
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us see the results well even you yeah even the case agent they would just stop
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that and just neutralize it and then the whole thing would just go away that's
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what we expect what does it tell you when you can't see the results oh it tells me that they're hiding something
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because whatever they're hiding would require more work and they don't want to do that they want
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to put a little button on this and just close it out and just say you know you're told uh it's all due to Predators
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when our reports set back to headquarters well the greatest investigators we have working on this
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are the coyotes and the wolves that are in the area that will not that are
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telling us there's something incredibly uh Supernatural about this because they
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won't go near the carcasses which makes no sense and then we would measure there was some radiation on these these
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carcasses we ended up you know requesting special teams yeah you know just take some just for laughs and yeah
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the radiation was elevated but it wasn't deadly or anything so it
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didn't answer why the Predators won't go near these carcasses the carcasses only had the
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mucosi removed everything that was like mucus uh producing tissue
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so the Predators should have eaten up these things it just doesn't make sense and the radiation didn't explain it
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either so that right there tells you that these these predators are really
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doing the investigators job they're telling us they're telling us that there's something incredibly bad about
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these uh these carcasses so let's let's pretend because we I'll tell you that Eastern
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Oregon had a rash of these type of cases in the last three to five years so let's
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say that was Portland's jurisdiction the Portland office right now on something like that
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would Portland special agents investigate those cases or would they send Agents from DC out there and do it
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anonymously they could do both depending on you know where our headquarters can
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do whatever they want they could say yeah send Portland field agents there go do whatever you want and then when they
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get a hair you know they find out that something um something not being answered or that
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it's looking like you know somebody said the word UFO uh they could say oh no way
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we're not letting field agents do this and they could send special teams from
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uh headquarters yeah that's been done often as a matter of fact
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so in the movie and Jonathan talked about these parallel Dimensions you spoke about it too yeah so how
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and I briefly touched on this in front of you but in front of the audience here
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you're let's pretend we switch seats your day of colitis okay and you've got
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a family that's been missing a child in the woods okay and you're trying to explain to them
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how could possibly be this multi-dimensional issue or portal
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can't do that how how could I ever explain to them what what this possibility May mean
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you can only do it if they are already spiritual people who understand the
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spiritual Dimension that is going on in our physical world if they have that
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then you can explain it to them because that because extra dimensionality again
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uh extra dimensionality is the key to everything that goes on in these movies
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we're all hitting a wall we're hitting a wall where there's no clues there's no
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physical Clues to these disappearances these disappearances are not murders they are not kidnappings because we have
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no clues no Ransom note no criminal scene of violence no blood splatter
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um some of these people disappeared in seconds in seconds uh so it leaves you with the
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uh with the final conclusion that there's something extra dimensional going on here uh
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people just uh please uh get my book the extra dimensionals by John de Souza the
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extra Dimensions where I explain all of this this is a question of portals this
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is a question of creatures coming here from other levels of reality other
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levels of reality uh and somehow they access our physicality they can
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apparently be physical for short periods of time but then it doesn't last that
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long because all the bigfoots when they're being hunted they somehow disappear they somehow
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disappear and then uh official sources take care of hair and tissue samples we
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always send the Heritage disciples back to the labs and what do the labs do well the labs have to be licensed every year
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so none of them are going to say to the state hey we just found a a big a sample
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of a non uh unknown animal they won't do that they just won't do
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that they need to get license so they're just going to come back undetermined results undetermined all of your samples
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even FBI lab will do that so that just shows you how controlled
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they are on everything that they do that's why it's so hard to to get anything in the physical world results
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for these phenomena that appear to be extra dimensional as I said
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one of the things in our interview we were talking about was if you go out and you do an
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investigation and it results in a paranormal explanation that you would end up with that you your
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supervisor may tell you not to put that in the report they they usually don't do that they'll
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just they'll just take the entire report and shoot it somewhere I don't know where uh and uh it may not go to the
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people it's supposed to go to that's that's the preferred method because it's uh bureaucrats don't want to don't want
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to put themselves out there for the most part uh they'd rather lose a document than uh than tell the agent I'm changing
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your words I'm trying to almost never do that they'll almost never do that so one
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of the things we've all read about heard about in the news is in the last five years the FBI has taken some major hits
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yeah right oh yeah absolutely and
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those hits that they're taking do you believe they're justifiable hits
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absolutely um and I I tell my friends in the FBI I I tell them all the time you guys are
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going to get dispersed FBI is going to be dispersed because they're just too clear present no that's good
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that's good because they are they're now a clear and present danger to patriotic
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Americans and people who just consider themselves Americans and you cannot do that you cannot have that and uh that's
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why uh we're at the point now where the FBI just has to be dispersed because
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they're we can't have people with that much power uh going after the American
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people it's just wrong foreign [Applause]
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here's something historical that people don't know uh the uh federal law
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enforcement in this country was handled by a private a private contractor group
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for 60 years in this country from Civil War which I think was 1860 right up
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until 1908 and it was a group called The Pinkerton detective agency
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Pinkerton detective agents this is true thousands of they had thousands of
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members and they had women and minorities before I mean anybody even
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thought of it and they all dressed in these beautiful plaid suits that had the
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nice bowler on it that they had Jaya go over didn't come up with anything original he copied everything from the
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Pinkerton detective agency and they had all the latest weapons all the time uh
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it had all the latest weapons big bulges around their Jacks they were a tremendous group but then uh towards
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1900 they got very corrupt they got very corrupt and they started going after the
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American people and in about 1900 the year 1900 they actually uh got involved
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in working for Rockefeller and Harriman and all the big magnates of industry and
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they they worked as strike Breakers and then we had incidents in Philadelphia and New York City where dozens of people
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were killed dozens of people were killed in strike breaking which was considered
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the biggest danger to America at that time and they actually and doesn't end about a dozen bakerton men were also
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killed and um so it just became so then the Congress said okay we can't these guys
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we cannot have them anymore so they basically they passed for what they called uh and just so you know uh the
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Butch and Sundance Kid uh Butch and Sundance case was their last chance in
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1905 to try to capture Butch and Sundance and that would have been their
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last chance to keep existing because it was such a high profile case and then the Bolivian president uh betrayed them
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and killed Butch and Sundance with the Bolivian Army at that time he said he
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was going to hand them over to the pinkertons but he didn't and so then right after so then that was the end of
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the Pinkerton men and in 1905 the Congress passed the anti-pinkerton ACT
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removing them from all federal law enforcement and that was the end of them and that's what happened then it's
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happening now again and I try to educate the FBI on that every time I talk to you
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so there's I mean it's public knowledge there's been up to 15 FBI agents in the
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last month that have asked for Federal Protection
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is there real protection from them well um yeah I I think there will be I think
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they have to have it now because because the FBI is going to be dispersed like I
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said if those whistleblowers uh they need them to come forward and they need
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to protect them and they need to help them to do what's right I think it will happen I think it will happen now did
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that surprise you that they came forward yes it did very much so because yeah
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especially that many yeah that means something big is going on uh with the
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FBI and the Department of Justice which also has to be uh overhauled and replaced at this point
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yeah [Applause]
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so in your years of Investigation did you ever come to a supervisor and
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say hey we have this information and uh and they say we don't want to
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hear it oh sure that happens a lot especially with me it happened a lot
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um I mean we had times when um not just not just me but many law enforcement
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people uh after 9 11 happened and we had all kinds of special teams removing the
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rubble from there and getting so explain to the audience you're one of the Three core FBI agents assigned to 911 right
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uh no that was in 93 when we had the the previous one uh we had the there was an attempted
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bombing of the World Trade Center that happened in 93 and then the trial happened in 94. I was one of the main
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agents for that okay that was it so we also worked uh the World Trade Center when it you know 911 as well okay so I
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already know what the answer is but so on those big jets I don't know if people really understand this yeah but this the
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tires and the wheel assembly systems on those Jets weigh tons and they're solid pieces of
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Steel yeah how many wheel struts did they find in
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the wreckage at 9 11. none none did you guys hear that
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there was nothing in there nothing in there so John how how is that possible
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now some of the press is going to say well they melted yeah they they said
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that and they had other explanations too so you come to your special agent in
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charge and you say hey we've got this information there was nothing there what do they say to you they say just forget
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about it don't don't talk to anybody else about this and just you know just
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do your job which your job is just to do or whatever they assign you to do
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that's that's what they say typically did you feel like your ethics were compromised yes uh not only me but every
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law enforcement agency we had that was on the ground doing the removals and
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going through the rubble snow plane Parts there was nothing even though the New York Times was
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reporting at times opposite they were reporting uh things we had one reporter
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that actually reported oh several uh seats uh plane seats were found with
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bodies strapped in the seats we found like six or seven of them and they were
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found and then we looked at that and we said wait a second if that's true we
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need to know about it how did this New York Times Reporter find out about that we went to his editors and the guy had
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been removed from the scene the the reporter actually wrote that and his editors told us it was a prospective
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story that they do this they do this they write stories ahead of time and
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then they say oh I'm I'm ready to use this story when it happens and it never happened we never found
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anything inside but he still published the story in the New York Times and then the editor just pooped us and
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said oh this is standard practice but he's been assigned to Alaska now so you guys can't talk to him
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I mean it's just it's just ridiculous so what do you tell a supervisor we tell
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them this something's wrong here this is not lining up and not just me but all the special teams that were in there
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working that Rubble they all knew that something's not lining up there's no there's no playing Parts in here if we
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saw what we think we saw that's impossible that's completely impossible
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and yet that's that's what it was and you'll have the scientific part types
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making up BS stories like scientists always do that oh yeah well it melted selectively it melted the the plane
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Parts melted or something else so it's just as nonsensical so that's that's what happens all the
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time and that's happened to me several other times so so when we talked about this I probably my head would have been
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spinning like the Exorcist but I had heard this before from other people that
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were working the wreckage that they were stymied and in disbelief that they weren't finding anything that pointed to
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a plane in the wreckage and that the one thing that kept coming home were those
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giant wheel assemblies that were huge that would survive a catastrophic you
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know a 20 story building collapse you would eventually find them or the black box as well
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yeah did they ever find those no they never did they never did now did that bother you
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as a person oh absolutely but I was kind of used to it though because that had happened several other
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times on big big cases as well where you were told hey just forget it yeah just leave it alone and you know and not just
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me but other agents too and other police officers that work these these areas as
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well were always told by the bigwigs you know just leave it alone and just uh do
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your job uh well another job not this one that's that's it were you ever
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threatened while you're in the FBI um yeah in the FBI they have uh very
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special punishments I like to always say that I am proudly I am the most
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decorated and punished FBI agent in the FBI ever in their history
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and you're still here talking right yeah uh the standard punishment in FBI is to
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chew on the dreaded What's called the dreaded surveillance Squad the Special Operations group uh it's it's hard it's
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the worst work there is in the FBI they just lock you in a car that you have to follow criminals and terrorists 24 7.
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and that's all you do you just follow them on the ground and you're supposed to have a plane also helping you and
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stuff like that uh and uh it's it's the worst job there is and that's a standard
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punishment uh whenever you would ask too many questions or do things they don't like they would just throw you on the
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surrounded squad for uh for like six months or so it's it's torture it's
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literal torture anybody who's ever worked this area so why did you get that
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why did I get that what'd you do oh I got that like three or four times during
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the course of my career oh yeah it was um I'm trying to think all the incidences uh of why that happened to oh
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one time it was because it was actually here in Arizona uh because uh president
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it was W bush called the office um well I was in the FBI and I was
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trying to get the FBI to help me uh to pursue this terrorist that we had here in Arizona uh it was the time of Osama
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bin Laden and he was one of the Osama Bin Laden supporters and it was a huge
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deal and I had just been put here in Arizona as a hot shot counter-terrorism
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agent and so I was trying to get the FBI here in Arizona to help me pursue this
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uh this terrorist Mastermind that we had here um he was right here close to the U of A
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and uh I was and they wouldn't do it because they said it was too much resources it was too much commitment and
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I just like to pursue pursue the Muslims because I hate them that's that's what
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they that's what the upper brass here in Arizona told me so they said they were not going to get involved in my in my
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phony baloney uh terrorism case and then President W bush called the office he
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called Phoenix office because he got in the presidential briefing book that there was a that there was a terrorist
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leader in uh well I think it was Tucson Arizona in Tucson Arizona
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and that there's a special agent uh John de Souza who says he's got the goods on him and he wants to investigate him but
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this was like a high level this was a major case investigation which means I would get planes I would get all kinds
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of resources well Arizona FBI didn't want that at the time they said I was just like a they said I was persecuting
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the Muslims which I mean that's what my job was I was working against Al-Qaeda I
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was working against al Qaeda so I mean these were Radical Islamic jihadis anyway W bush called the office that day
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and when I walked into work W bush said said why aren't you weren't you guys I
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can't do his accent but he was saying why aren't you guys helping John de Souza get this guy what the hell is wrong with you guys and the FBI brass
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were like oh they didn't really have anything to say so after that day I got all the resources I wanted and I got to
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pursue that but as soon as I arrested that terrorist leader her and all of his
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followers right after that was done they threw me on the surveillance Squad
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I'm a year to do it but they did it because they were so mad at me that but that's a typical type of
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thing that would happen so there is retribution oh yeah they always they always try to get you yeah and they try
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to get you in effective ways they they knew that the surveillance Squad was the worst possible thing you could do one
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thing I heard through the grapevine through my other friends is that you and Comey were really good friends yeah
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you know [Laughter]
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in our in 2012 I I left the FBI in 2013.
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and the reason I left it was it was 25 years so I mean enough already but but
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still I left because they were uh at that time we had Renegade was the
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president of the country uh for those of you who don't know what Renegade is he
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was the most vile preacher that ever uh was put in charge of this country and
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Renegade actually had another creature more vile than him named James Comey
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that he decided he was going to throw the FBI under James Coleman and James Coney was just a terrible terrible
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person uh he was he was basically a water carrier for the Clinton foundation
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for 20 years that's basically all he did all he did was help the Clinton foundation for about 20 to uh reduce
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their investigations to get their investigation shut down and that's basically all he did so I tried to tell
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the FBI he cannot let this guy be put in charge but Renegade was president and we
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couldn't stop it but anyway he um he found out I was talking against him
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and he sent an angel of death to my office uh to try to get me fired that's
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what he called the um the Headhunter FBI uh people who are basically in charge of
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getting FBI agents framed and fired for whatever their they happen to be doing so he sent the angel of death to try to
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work up something against me to try to get me fired before I retired so I was
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already at 25 years and they were trying to and so Comey decided I had to be fired so they did everything they could
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against me they tried to get the U.S attorneys prosecutors to uh find
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something wrong in one of my cases and it didn't work it didn't work for them and I went and got some spiritual help
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during that situation and also I got some excellent lawyers to help me too uh who were guys who defend law enforcement
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people and uh flioa is the name of the organization if any of your federal or
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federal law enforcement you'd know flio they were excellent and I was able to escape from Comey uh trying to uh do me
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in at that time yeah
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and that's that came out last year called a thousand pieces a thousand pieces and I
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will put the whole story in there it is crazy crazy stuff it's amazing so
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knowing what you know now about the FBI would you ever tell someone to join them
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um yeah yeah I I would uh but probably not right now though
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thinking it thinking about it well probably not right now I'd wait for a different era yeah
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well anybody have a question for John yes sir
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what does he think about Judy Woods book is Judy Woods the uh the stewardess lady
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I'm sorry flight attendant lady
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yeah I think she was a flight attendant but um yeah her stuff looks really amazing very uh very amazing
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um
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yes no they didn't they really didn't and um
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I would tell you if you want to find out more about 9 11 read my book The para investigators the para investigators
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it's a good book yes sir in the back
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we also have the video the planes crashing in the building how do we explain that
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uh we explained that with technology that is further ahead than what we understand currently
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uh they used something that was like Holograms uh but that I believe
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um also had solidity to them they were more than more than just Holograms they
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were um some kind of things that create that can also create sound and light and
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uh solidity of some kind that that's how I would say that that's yes
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Iraq
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with them well they they did need to go after
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Saddam Hussein they needed some sort of excuse but 9 11 was done for many many
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reasons uh and one of them uh 911 I believe was done by a cabal of Elites
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that believed they ruled the Earth and that were doing 9 11. uh I believe they
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were doing it as a ritual sacrifice as well uh to their dark gods and one thing
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that I can that I can actually prove to people is that they if you look at all
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the cctvs from that time if you look at all the internal cctvs you look at all
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the stuff they were hoping they had arranged things uh in the few days
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before 9 11 in order to make sure that they killed 50 000 people not three thousand like they
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did they were hoping to get 50 000 people they had set up megaphones they
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they had set up the speaker systems to with recorded devices uh like the
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recorded message we just heard in here but their recorded messages were set up with everything is fine just go back go
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back to your offices go back listen to security go back to your offices
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everything is fine it's being taken care of you are safe and secure and they put
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those on the speaker system just before 9 11 happened and then they instructed
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all security Personnel that any emergencies come up always make people
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go back to their offices always do not let them under any conditions let them
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get out of the building because you'll be creating more danger for them if you let them get out so make push them back
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in if we hadn't had every group every group that came down there was one
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person that when they were confronted by security and security to hurt them back
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one person would stand up and say get the hell out of our way we're coming through we're getting out of here and
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then everybody would follow that person they'd get out that happened dozens of times in those buildings uh at every
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time some one time it was a janitorial person another time it was a CEO of an accounting firm that was up there but it
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was always one person that just stuck their head up and said there is no way we're going back up there no way you
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better get out of our way right now and it always they always did and that's the only reason that only 3 000 were killed
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that day but they were shooting for more all the way in the back security
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for yourself in your own life yeah I've had many of them yes and I you
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know I I talk about all of them very openly in my book the extra dimensionals
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which tries to explain this whole area of life and how everything exists on a
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spiritual paranormal Spectrum and if you don't understand that component of it then you're you're never
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gonna you're never gonna understand this area at all
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well that's interesting because you know I'm um I you know I'm uh I'm a follower of Christ
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but and I but I don't consider myself a mainstream Christian because I don't
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believe I don't believe they really have anything to do with Christ anymore but and and one of the main things I get is
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I I always get complaints from Christian people mainstream Christian people where I was like why you're dealing with
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aliens and and aliens are just demons they're just demons that's all they are and um and they're not they're
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absolutely not uh according to my investigations it looks like aliens are
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actually created creatures they are created creatures by other races like the
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Nephilim for instance I'm just using that as an example like the Nephilim for instance who I actually believe are
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probably Fallen Angels you know so all of these things do exist but they are
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different because demons and angels actually do have a connection to God
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they have some sort of connection back to Creator Force because they were actually created by God originally but
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aliens were not all the alien races they were not created by God they are
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themselves created by other creatures that's why they're so uh anxious to get
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a connection to us one last question in the back
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okay so certainly Spirit here
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but for both of you guys kind of a speculative question imagine if we were
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able to after enough people have gone missing where we say okay that's enough we need
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to really pour some resources and science into developing the technology to open or
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keep open or track or somehow find these Portables or these gateways
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I would imagine that there might be some people who are considering the protocol
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to really understand what's going on
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that's funny that you say that I've already done that and I I came up with it are you ready to
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hear it okay one profile point
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that I have noticed in virtually every case I mean virtually every case that
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we've gone through here with David and with the FBI as well is that
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whether it is for 10 seconds or whether it is for 10 minutes or 10
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hours every single person who ends up as a disappearance case
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uh it appears has been alone for a certain period of time completely
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alone no direct observers no nothing I think we could if we could just create
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an etiquette for people who are hiking camping whatever we could stop a lot of this thing there
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it appears there's something mechanical involved in this uh and I say mechanical
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because it always does the same the intelligence appears to always do the same thing over and over again which is
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it will only take people if they're alone without direct
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observers that's what it looks like to me so if we could I mean we have a whole
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bunch of cases that are called the uh the I gotta P cases yeah I got a p cases because the person
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was with like they tell you always for safety we were with a bunch of people they were with everybody they were all
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together protecting each other but then it's like I'm sorry you know I'm shy I gotta pee I gotta go behind that that
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bush right there I'll just be gone a couple of seconds and then they disappeared
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if we could just stop being alone when they're out in these
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places I think a lot would be solved in this area what do you think Dave I call them
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point of separation and yeah they exist it's it's a phenomenal number and I would say
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probably 98 99 of the cases are are just exactly
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that you know they're alone no eyes are on them and yeah well John you've been uh quite a
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guest and uh thanks for being here and thanks for the interview my pleasure
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